Showing posts with label trillions of dollars in bailouts. Show all posts
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Wednesday, March 18, 2009

AIG Exec Bonuses: "Logic" Critiques (post 1 of 2)


Dear all,

I am contributing to the blog, Obama IS America!. I just read 2 articles - one in the NY Times and one on Anderson Cooper's blog. These articles ENRAGE me. They discuss reasons for why the government and other entities are justifying GIANT corporate bonuses to AIG.

To me, the logic being used is complete and utter bull**** of the stankiest kind. It makes me think that the 'powers that be' think that I am stupid. Well, unfortunately for them, I am not.

Let's review the "logic" for why bonuses should be paid, as expressed in these articles.

I am going to write 2 blog posts - one for each article. This post will be on the NY Times article, called "The Case for Paying Out Bonuses at AIG," written by Andrew Ross Sorkin.

The second blog post (which you can access by clicking HERE) will critique the Anderson Cooper blog post written by Ed Henry. This article presents the "logic" of Obama's chief economic advisor Larry Summers as well as Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

I will present the argument of the NY Times article (as represented by direct quotes from the article itself), and will then critique it. I will then do the same with the AC blog post.


NY Times:

1. Excuse for why they should get their bonuses #1 - The 'fundamental value' of contracts is sacred, and should not be messed with, even in this situation. Quote:

...The “fundamental value” in question here is the sanctity of contracts.

That may strike many people as a bit of convenient legalese, but maybe there is something to it. If you think this economy is a mess now, imagine what it would look like if the business community started to worry that the government would start abrogating contracts left and right.

As much as we might want to void those A.I.G. pay contracts, Pearl Meyer, a compensation consultant at Steven Hall & Partners, says it would put American business on a worse slippery slope than it already is. Business agreements of other companies that have taken taxpayer money might fall into question. Even companies that have not turned to Washington might seize the opportunity to break inconvenient contracts.

If government officials were to break the contracts, they would be “breaking a bond,” Ms. Meyer says. “They are raising a whole new question about the trust and commitment organizations have to their employees.” (The auto industry unions are facing a similar issue — but the big difference is that there is a negotiation; no one is unilaterally tearing up contracts.)


2. Excuse for why they should get their bonuses #2:

A.I.G. built this bomb, and it may be the only outfit that really knows how to defuse it.

A.I.G. employees concocted complex derivatives that then wormed their way through the global financial system. If they leave — the buzz on Wall Street is that some have, and more are ready to — they might simply turn around and trade against A.I.G.’s book. Why not? They know how bad it is. They built it.

So as unpalatable as it seems, taxpayers need to keep some of these brainiacs in their seats, if only to prevent them from turning against the company. In the end, we may actually be better off if they can figure out how to unwind these tricky investments.


3. Here is the logic for why bonuses were written into executive contracts in the first place:

A.I.G. knew it needed to keep its people.

That is the explanation offered by Edward M. Liddy, who was installed as A.I.G.’s chief executive when the government effectively nationalized the company last fall. (He is being paid $1 a year.)

“We cannot attract and retain the best and brightest talent to lead and staff” the company “if employees believe that their compensation is subject to continued and arbitrary adjustment by the U.S. Treasury,” he said.


4. This article even seems to attempt to envoke pity or empathy from the reader for these executives - note the sentence in parentheses above stating that Mr. Liddy is earning '$1' a year. Yes, that would be $1, 000,000. The article then continues with:

“The jobs are terrible,” said Robert M. Sedgwick, an executive compensation lawyer at Morrison Cohen who represents a number of employees of banks that have taken government money. “You have to read about yourself in the paper every day. These people are leaving as soon as they can.”


4. Finally, the article concludes with the following sentence. 'You' refers to us, the readers/taxpayers/people being screwed over:

Let them leave, you say. Where would they go, given the troubles in the financial industry? But the fact is, the real moneymakers in finance always have a place to go. You can bet that someone would scoop up the talent from A.I.G. and, quite possibly, put it to work — against taxpayers’ interests


So, using this brain that I have been giving and drawing on my knowledge of economics, politics, the law, history, and government action, this is what I think of this "logic":

1. Honoring contracts is, of course, important. Extremely important, especially because contracts legitimate, limit, and delineate so many transactions and relationships in American society, which are only made using contracts because people know that once you sign something you are legally bound to honor what you sign. The importance of upholding contracts is a KEY part of American law and the American Constitution.

HOWEVER, legalese, or legal language is quite amazing at including endless stipulations and limitations to anything and everything. Say, for example, that President Obama signed an executive order (the favorite tool of Bush to make legal whatever he wanted to) that nullified the contracts of AIG corporate executives. There is pretty much no end to the amount of stipulations he could include in the executive order to preserve the sanctity of contracts in general (right, lawyers out there?), in the meantime ensuring that this blatant robbery is stopped. He could say that this executive order ONLY applies in this specific instance due to the nature of the circumstances, being that - AIG is now 80% owned by the people to whom the government is primarily responsible according to its contract with the people (see THIS article); the greed and gambling of these corporate executives is responsible for the loss of lifetimes of savings of the American people/primary shareholders of AIG;  their greed is also responsible at least in part for economic recession around the world.

Additionally, talking about precedent, if the government shuns the outcry of the people - whose interests it is supposed to be primarily representing because this is a Democracy/Republic, and the people are supposed to be the government - it will essentially be choosing to take the side of business over the people. That cannot be a good precedent to set, in the least.

I would also like to note that if the California Supreme Court decides to nullify the 18,000 gay marriages in California, then the government would be nullifying contracts signed between American citizens. I certainly have not heard any outcry anywhere with regard to how terrible and illegal it would be if the government decided to override the power and sanctity of contract with regard to these married couples. At this point, it is pretty unimaginable that someone would say something like "If you think this [country] is a mess now, imagine what it would look like if the [American people] started to worry that the government would start abrogating contracts left and right." Those gay couples and all couples that get married before the law sign marriage contracts because of their faith in the power of the contract and the power of the US government to uphold those contracts. 

2. "AIG built the bomb and is the only entity that knows how to diffuse it." Come on folks, banking is not rocket science. When the atom bomb was built, there were only a handful of people who knew how it worked. AIG is a financial institution and the greedy corporate execs no doubt went to top US business schools and were taught by top notch professors. Well, where are those professors now? Let's put them and their knowledge to use! No matter how messy this AIG situation is, I am SURE that there are people out there with the mental capacity to figure out how to unravel the AIG mess BESIDES the very same bankers who caused this mess in the first place.  Also, just for some context, what if someone had made this same statement about Bush and the war in Iraq?: "Bush built the bomb and is the only entity who knows how to diffuse it." Yeah. Right.   Do I even have to say more?

3.  The fact that AIG's CEO is 'only' making $1, 000, 000 a year really does not make me soften up to this man in the least.  Particularly considering the fact that so many people and families are losing homes and jobs that 'tent cities' are starting to spring up around the country, particularly in California.  And this man is still a millionaire!  Further, saying that 'the jobs are so terrible' and hearing that these 'poor' executives have to read about themselves in the paper everyday also does not strike pity into my heart. I think that not only should these people be reading about themselves in the paper, but they should be forced to meet with the people they have screwed over and they should see their faces and names plastered all over every media outlet in existence.  They should not be allowed to just walk away silently and privately from this job and this mess with millions of dollars.  If they are fighting for public money, their faces and identities should be made public so we can see who it is that we will now be working for.

4. How is it possible that other companies in the financial industry could possibly swoop these people up to use them against the taxpayers? Do these people completely lack any sense of morality whatsoever?  Why are we giving the financial sector billions of dollars without provisions to protect us from future abuse from greedy bankers/corporate executives? I take it that protections are lacking, considering the inclusion of the idea in Sorkin's article that AIG execs could be swooped by other companies that will then cause more ills for the American people.   Additionally, why is it that the only industry that seems to lavishly reward people for incompetence, greed, and failing miserably at their job is the financial industry? If those morons were working pretty much anywhere else, they would be out on the streets to join the tent communities by now. I think it is ridiculous that this 'top talent' will be so 'easily swooped up' by another financial company against which I have no protections.  That is an f'ing joke. 

If the US government can pass the Patriot Act, take away the rights of American citizens in the name of 'national security', torture people in Guantanamo Bay, pass these bailouts in the first place, start wars in other countries (against international protocol), and do a million and one other things that I don't agree with or know about but for which I am paying, I don't understand why the government can't stop these ridiculous bonuses from being paid. 

OBAMA NEEDS TO SAY NO! SOMEONE NEEDS TO SAY NO!!! THIS IS LUDICROUS!!!!

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

The American People are Angry! And pretty confused!


Tell us your thoughts on this post!

It seems that The American people are angry, jaded and pretty confused about government bailouts for mega-companies, particularly due to the bonuses being doled out to executives, including those responsible for the mess in the first place.

This blog post includes several things:

1.  Links to articles related to bailouts for financial giants such as AIG

2.  Link to a MoveOn.org call to action, which is asking people to write questions they have for bankers and ideas on different strategies for how to get our money back.  Apparently some of the questions for bankers will be selected and asked to the bankers during upcoming legislative hearings.

3.  Blog post by blogger TannerLeah of the blog Stop Annoying Me.  His words embody the feelings of anger, frustration, and helplessness that many people likely feel towards the bailouts and executive bonuses.  If you find some of his wording choices to be offensive, please feel free to leave a comment on this blog or on his.

4.  Reader comments on a NY Times article on AIG executive bonuses and government impotency.


*****Also, please look out for upcoming Obama IS America! posts on the following:******
  • Interview with Dr. Carol Wise, Associate Professor at the University of Southern California on NAFTA and the American economy, and her take on American identity.
  • Breakdown of why the movie Slumdog Millionaire is a scam, and a call to action to make filmmakers more socially responsible and accountable.
Links:




Why Can’t AIG Be Allowed To Fail?

Over and over I keep hearing this mantra about how the American government cannot allow AIG to fail. So, because it cannot be allowed to fail, the government continues to funnel a never ending supply of money into it. But WHY can’t it be allowed to collapse? What horrible thing is going to happen? 

I know this much. Ben Bernanke must be the worst poker player in the entire world. How else can you explain the fact that he keeps telling the world that he will do whatever it takes to keep AIG afloat? 150 billion? No problem. 200 billion? Sure thing. 300 billion? Ben will be really, really mad and slamming his phone down but the check is in the mail. 

Of course the good folks at AIG are spending like drunken sailors. They have an open ended credit card and they know it. Want to spend 100 million on bonuses? Knock yourself out. Want to send billions of dollars to foreign banks so that, essentially, the American people are bailing them out? No sweat. Keep acting like you are mad, Ben. It is working like a charm. 

Up to the plate stomps Barney Gay and Nancy “who stole my eyebrows” Pelosi. Even more and more barking with no action being taken. How is it possible that the Fed AND the government have no control over the situation? Oh, I know. Because they have NEVER had control which is how this whole thing came to be in the first place. Of course, since all of these people belong to the same gene pool, I think it is a little unreasonable to think they will actually punish each other. 

Hey AIG…be very grateful that the US citizens are powerless in such matters. If we weren’t, you would be shut down by the end of the day and you could take your “bonuses” and shove them up your collective a**es. Of course, you would have no bonus to shove because we would have already taken that money back. 

If you can create the FDIC to protect banks, just make up a new acronym to protect insurance companies. Surely, it would be cheaper than just flooding these idiots with money on virtually a daily basis. Better yet, let AIG fail and let their competitors swoop in and pick the bones clean. Then, make the ex-employees work at McDonalds until they save enough money to pay the US taxpayer back. 

In the meantime, Bernanke, Frank, Reid, Pelosi and crew, could you just shut the hell up?!? Either do something to fix the problem or just shut up about it. Acting like a powerless victim is exceedingly annoying. 

And hey, where the hell is Barry while all this is going on? Can’t the POTUS shut this thing down in the blink of an eye? Well? What are you waiting for…a fist bump?


NY Times Reader Comments:

1.
March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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This makes me ill. As a taxpayer, paying for these bonuses, I'd like to see exactly who the recipients are and how much each is getting. I'd much prefer my tax money to go the homeless, needy, NPR, guide dogs for the blind, cancer research...you name it. This is absurd. Let AIG fail, and then let's see what those executives believe they are entitled to receive. Let 'em fail, baby, let 'em fail.

— Marc S, Left Coast

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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Utterly and completely pathetic.

— rick jones, sunnyvale, ca

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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I'm against their giving any bonuses, but if they do it should be in AIG stock, and will only be worth something if the company turns around. What are these bailed out companies thinking? They just don't get it!

— ValorieK, Scottsdale, AZ

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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The government should immediately withdraw any and all bail out money and then we will see who gets a bonus, or a paycheck. Audacity, chutzpah, bad form, greed, ineptitude, and stupidity is all these persons have displayed - let's see how far that gets them after their company folds up on Monday morning.

— Andrew, NY

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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This simply has to stop.

— John, Butte, Montana

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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This is so outrageous it is almost humerous. Is there nothing the US Government can do - or do we the people need to take it upon ourselves? This becomes worse than the robber barons of the 1920s. Now is the time to stop this - but how?

— Joan Rutkowski, Florence, Italy

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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they feel that they need to pay these bonuses so they can "continue to attract top talent?" I think that horse has left the barn.

— mark, new york

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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Absolutely disgusting. If these execs have any ethics, they will refuse the bonuses.

— Mike, MI

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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Business as usual. I think they should tear up the contracts and fire the "best and brightest" that got AIG into the mess. Let's try "better and brighter".

— NJahn, Seattle, WA

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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The people at AIG should be incredibly ashamed of themselves, including and especially the man at the top. It is outrageous that they are giving bonuses out to people who have helped to contribute to the current state of economics. To say they are obligated by contract is pure bull. They were obligated to run their company right and not have to be bailed out with $170 BILLION tax payer dollars. There is NO obligation to reward anyone at that company. They should all be fired and start with a fresh team in there who will have a better chance of running the company properly.

— emeliacarson, Las Vegas, NV

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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This is outrageous. When will Wall Street execs understand that they are NOT ENTITLED to this money? You go into business, and the business fails, you don't get well paid. That's it.

This bailout money is designed to keep AIG afloat for the good of the country. Either you take it under our rules (and we should order that no bonuses be given), or you go under.

— Brian, Boston

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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This is a travesty! How can it be that AIG rewards the same executives responsible for their spectacularly greedy and disastrously destructive performance in 2008. We taxpayers should not pay a penny for any of their salaries.

— D1036, Seattle

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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What is this "obligated to pay them", the bonuses. I don't think so. Is there no end to the greed of these people? Have they no feeling/conscience in regard to the hardship their folly has wreaked on the American public they were supposed to be serving. This is obscene!

— Jeanette Rigopoulos, San Diego, California

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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This is criminal.Instead of being fired for there incomptence they are being rewarded.How can congress allow this to happen

— David Weidler, New Orleans

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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Amazing. UAW is told they have to abrogate their contracts and renogotiate. But AIG seems to have no power to do so and is obligated to honor the contract. That this was the very unit that brought AIG down just is more unbelievable.

— Charles Reiss, Shushan, N.Y.

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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let them go bankrupt. Please.

— incredulous, West Palm Beach

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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I am so tired of the disparity between business struggles and consumer struggles. Is there any other way to classify this AIG bailout as anything other than a handout? To make matters worse, bonuses to the tune to $100 million are still paid out? What do we tell our children about "working hard and good things will happen to you", when in fact it really doesn't occur.

— jeff, ohio

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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Stop handing money to people who clearly have no idea how to spend it!

— Rebecca0o, Columbus, OH

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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"On the other hand, we cannot attract and retain the best and brightest talent to lead and staff the AIG businesses — which are now being operated principally on behalf of the American taxpayers — if employees believe that their compensation is subject to continued and arbitrary adjustment by the U.S. Treasury."

They've used that term AGAIN! - "THE BEST & THE BRIGHTEST"
WE NEED TO SEE "THE BEST & THE BRIGHTEST" HEADS ROLL!!!

— F_Bardamu, NY,NY

20.
March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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If this doesn't start the revolution, then we deserve what we get.

— Disgusted, NYC

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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These are the best and brightest? Based on what? Their fabulous profitability? How nice that they're now doing their good work on behalf of the taxpayers. The mind reels.

— Andy, Jersey Shore

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March 15, 2009 12:48 am

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Let these "high performing" executives sue for their bonuses in court. $100 billion can buy allot of government lawyers to fight them. And they WOULD lose.

— N. R. Murray, Bangor, ME

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March 15, 2009 12:51 am

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I just got this NY Times alert. I am speechless. You will hear more from me later! I have to process this. Where's our bonuses?

— Spinlink, Greensboro, NC

24.
March 15, 2009 12:51 am

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Does anyone care that AIG bought 6 Falcon fan Jets
in the middle of this Mess!

— ttwar, Brooklyn

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March 15, 2009 12:51 am

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Yet another insult to the American taxpayer and all those displaced by the shenanigans of the 'best and brightest' at AIG and the investment houses. Doesn't anybody in this Administration have enough backbone to put an end to this continued looting of Main Street? What's it going to take before someone stands up and says 'Enough's enough'?

— Sipkins, Minneapolis